Salih the brave boy ...
Hello
Last day I arrived my work an hour and a half late because of the very crowded road near the gate's check point …
An old woman and 10 years old boy with school bag on his back were waiting for me.
I treated the old lady first, and then asked the boy to get in. He was pale & shaking. He sat on the dental chair and pointed inside his mouth, and said "this is very painful".
I looked and saw nothing, I knew he was confused and pointed to the wrong side; I looked to the opposite side and saw a badly carious tooth.
I told him that we need to extract this tooth, he shake his head for approval.
"But we need to have the approval from some one older than you my dear" I said. "Any one from your family as your parents, older brother or sister, aunt, uncle, or even a neighbor ".I added.
He stepped from the chair in an attempt to leave, with his eyes full of tears, and said nothing.
-"Are you coming back with someone later? I asked.
-"no, I have no one".
-"With whom do you live?".
-"With my younger brother, he is Mongolian".
-I grip his shaky hands and took him to the patio, and asked him to look around, to the other functionaries; (they live in the same village), and asked him if he knew any one?.
Few minutes later he pointed to a man, he was one of the servants" H".
I sent for" H", and told him that I need some one of Salih' relatives because his tooth need to be extracted. He said "I am his fathers' cousin, I can stay with him because he has no One close…his older brother who was taking care of him was murdered 3 days ago"…
-why?
- He was a policeman…
-"Are you hungry, did you have your breakfast honey?" I asked Salih trying so hard to hold my tears.( I had to ask because he was pale and he could show symptoms of hypoglycemia if he was hungry, he could faint too after dental treatment).
- " no I did not , the neighbors did not bring us any". he said.
Just then I could not hold my tears any more, I took his little hands and took him to buy him something to eat.
-"let us buy something to eat, I am hungry too" ..
-" no, I will go home" said Salih pointing to a far cottage..
- I will take him to my place, bring him something to eat, and be right back"…said" H".
But the boy ran away….
I sat in my room, wondering how could these children survive. How could they live alone, what do they do in the darkness every day? Where is our government, are they aware about that policeman's family….
I can't imagine my daughter Mariam (she is 8 now) go alone to a dental clinic to extract her tooth ….it's scary for a child to face that alone.
After about an hour the boy came back with "H", he ate in his house and came seeking for treatment, I was so happy to see him again, I wanted to give him a big hug, but he was behaving like a man.. He sat silently, I gave him his shot, he was shivering, but was very quiet.
I told him he will not feel any thing he will be anesthetized, he nod his head, I extracted his tooth, and then he went without any word…..
Mama….
Last day I arrived my work an hour and a half late because of the very crowded road near the gate's check point …
An old woman and 10 years old boy with school bag on his back were waiting for me.
I treated the old lady first, and then asked the boy to get in. He was pale & shaking. He sat on the dental chair and pointed inside his mouth, and said "this is very painful".
I looked and saw nothing, I knew he was confused and pointed to the wrong side; I looked to the opposite side and saw a badly carious tooth.
I told him that we need to extract this tooth, he shake his head for approval.
"But we need to have the approval from some one older than you my dear" I said. "Any one from your family as your parents, older brother or sister, aunt, uncle, or even a neighbor ".I added.
He stepped from the chair in an attempt to leave, with his eyes full of tears, and said nothing.
-"Are you coming back with someone later? I asked.
-"no, I have no one".
-"With whom do you live?".
-"With my younger brother, he is Mongolian".
-I grip his shaky hands and took him to the patio, and asked him to look around, to the other functionaries; (they live in the same village), and asked him if he knew any one?.
Few minutes later he pointed to a man, he was one of the servants" H".
I sent for" H", and told him that I need some one of Salih' relatives because his tooth need to be extracted. He said "I am his fathers' cousin, I can stay with him because he has no One close…his older brother who was taking care of him was murdered 3 days ago"…
-why?
- He was a policeman…
-"Are you hungry, did you have your breakfast honey?" I asked Salih trying so hard to hold my tears.( I had to ask because he was pale and he could show symptoms of hypoglycemia if he was hungry, he could faint too after dental treatment).
- " no I did not , the neighbors did not bring us any". he said.
Just then I could not hold my tears any more, I took his little hands and took him to buy him something to eat.
-"let us buy something to eat, I am hungry too" ..
-" no, I will go home" said Salih pointing to a far cottage..
- I will take him to my place, bring him something to eat, and be right back"…said" H".
But the boy ran away….
I sat in my room, wondering how could these children survive. How could they live alone, what do they do in the darkness every day? Where is our government, are they aware about that policeman's family….
I can't imagine my daughter Mariam (she is 8 now) go alone to a dental clinic to extract her tooth ….it's scary for a child to face that alone.
After about an hour the boy came back with "H", he ate in his house and came seeking for treatment, I was so happy to see him again, I wanted to give him a big hug, but he was behaving like a man.. He sat silently, I gave him his shot, he was shivering, but was very quiet.
I told him he will not feel any thing he will be anesthetized, he nod his head, I extracted his tooth, and then he went without any word…..
Mama….
posted by Mama | 9:25 AM
40 Comments:
very emotion post :(
I want to cry too.
I'm glad to hear from you Mama. I've never made a comment on this blog, but I check up regularily. With all that I hear that is happenning in Iraq, and when weeks go by without anything... I worry for you and your family as if you were my friends (I hope that doesn't sound weird).
It is so difficult for me to imagine what the people of your country are going through... and it fills my heart with such shame that so much of the horror and the pain has been initiated by people of my country, and there is nothing I can do to stop my tax dollars from being used to pay for more bombs, more guns, more death...
How many children in your country are living as orphans because my country's military killed their family? How many parents go to sleep each night longing for their children who were murdered by members of my country's military? It's hard to think too much about it, for otherwise I would fall into a great depression. And that's so selfish because there you are, caught in the middle, living through it all.
Mama, I'm so sorry for the personal loss of your family senior. And I'm sorry to everyone in your country who were led to believe this war was for your "liberation", when in fact it was a war of theft and dominance.
I read about Saddam having his day in court, and all I can think of his all those poor innocent people who have been / will be rounded up by US military forces and put into prisons where they are / will be tortured. All I can think is "Is this what liberation looks like?!"
Keep your spirit high and do stay in touch. You a like a beaming light in the midst of dark gloom... even if I am so far removed.
Pretty sad when a person shows up to attempt to cowardly shame a great nation, using 'anonymous' to do so. Typical of cowards.
anonymous had nothing to say regarding many, many children orphaned by Saddam. anonymous doesn't care about those children, which means anonymous does not care about the child of this post by Mama.
anonymous does not care enough about the child to understand what the circumstances were that took the child's guardian. anonymous immediately tried to take the situation and spin it into a political rant against America.
Immediately disgusting and decadent.
The conflict that took the life of the policeman was between the policeman and terrorists. Cockroaches that do not want to see the child grow up in freedom. The same cockroaches that took many American lives in Iraq who are fighting for that child's freedom. Something anonymous (clearly too feeble to use even an alias) does not have the guts or backbone to do.
Only to sit in front of a keyboard, far, far from the valiant men and women such as our troops and the Iraqi Police and soldiers who are fighting the terrorists and who cowardly spews hatred towards these warriors.
That boy trying to be a man is far, far more honorable than 'anonymous' will ever, ever be, in 'anonymous's' useless life time.
Mama,
God must be proud of you today. You saw a child in pain and you did what He (God) surely was hoping that you would do to help. You could have turned the boy away, as many people would but you didn’t. Goodness is a decision. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus came not to show us what it means to be God but what it can mean to be human. I think that what you did was what he had in mind. And I think that you will be remembered for it in the highest circles and by the child and hopefully by the rest of us too.
BTW, I hope that you and Sunshine do more posts together.
charley
Hey RG, why is there no mention of the "valiant men" who walked into a house in Haditha and put a bullet in a three year old girl?
If you expect other posters to mention Saddam's attrocities every time they mention the current maelstrom then surely you should mention all the attrocities your "valiant men" are guilty of every time you post.
You talk of the Iraqi police but dont mention electric drills. What's up with that?
anon 2:37,
How many children in your country are living as orphans because my country's military killed their family?
Did you even read mama's post before you wrote all that stuff? Seriously?
Bill Occam,
You talk of the Iraqi police but dont mention electric drills. What's up with that?
Mama spoke of Irai police and didn't mention electric drills either. What are you trying to say, that this boy's brother deserved to be murdered because he was an Iraqi policeman?
Mama, thank you fro writing that post. I'm sorry so many people use your blog for political ranting. The US troops will be gone soon. A very powerful Senator, Diane Feinstein, just told Donald Rumsfeld in a Senate hearing yesterday that she thinks it's time to bring the US troops home from Iraq, and he agreed with her. I hope people don't forget Iraq, when they no longer can use Iraq as a method of attacking the US.
anonymous gets a little braver and this time uses an alias. How impressive.
programmer craig, as you can see, it doesn't take much to get a leftard all wound up as if a wild varmint just ran up his skirt.
:-)
And programmer, you are correct, the fraud cares no more about Iraq, Iraqi's, even the child's gaurdian, or America. In other words, a washed up bitter loser.
... the leftard I am referring to is 'anonymous'/'bill occam'.
Oh be quiet all you people on both sides who mouth off with your rants. Leave this blog and Sunshine's alone.
Mary from D.C.
No dice. This family is living in a war zone. People all around them are being killed. You can wish upon a star all you want, that even thing is growing daisies. Not happening. That is the problem with 'anonymous/billy boy'. Everybody just walk away and leave things alone.
Next thing you see are blogs dissappearing, communications being cut, and mass murder on the streets. This is not a blog hosted by some famiy on a quiet street in Portland, Oregon. It is a blog being hosted by a family on the bloody streets of Mosul.
We are not going to leave this family alone. We are going to stay with them until they finally achieve security for thier children.
Any low life coware that wants us to cut and run and leave these people alone with terrorists and not support the troops and the Iraqi police, will get their butts kicked, here and any where else.
Her post about that child has EVERYTHING to do with confronting leftards in America and terrorists around the world who do not want these kids can have security, confronted on this blog or any where they can be found hiding.
Mama;
It is sad to hear stories like this... very sad. We Americans, including those who posted the comments here, cannot understand what you who live in Iraq are going through... or what you have gone through in the past.
I can assure you that the U.S. soldiers are working hard to enable the Iraqi people to build a democracy. Our prayers are with you, and we wish all the best for the Iraqi people.
Thank you Mama for this post. It is sad but it does remind us of some of the sad things that are happening. I have spent years in war but have never been involved in the type of warfare that is happening in Iraq.
How someone can kill innocent people is beyond my comprehension. How do you know who the enemy is?
I wish the politicians would stay out of your site. I believe that you, Sunshine and Rose try to tell us exactly what is happening, not some political rhetoric.
I'll be praying for you all.
Mama, you're a saint. Thank you, and bless you.
Mama –
Congratulations for doing the right thing and helping. I can’t imagine how it must be like living in Iraq these days, it sounds like hell on earth. The other Iraqi bloggers seem to be just as discouraged, yet you manage to keep on going, somehow. Iraqis must be made of a stuff harder than steel; I don’t know how you do it. Keep safe and keep hoping.
[RG] “Pretty sad when a person shows up to attempt to cowardly shame a great nation, using 'anonymous' to do so.”
My name is Bruno. I hope that you’ll feel better about being shamed by somebody with a name rather than somebody anonymous. And I do believe that you have a lot to be ashamed for.
Why, isn’t it true that your country provided lists of Iraqis to be killed to Saddam when he assumed power?
And isn’t it true that your country was supplying arms to both Iraq and Iran during their conflict, in the hopes that the countries would “both lose” … at huge and bloody cost?
And isn’t it true that your country thought half a million dead Iraqi children were “worth” the sanctions that you kept like a sword over the heads of Iraqis?
[RG] “The conflict that took the life of the policeman was between the policeman and terrorists.”
Correction.
The conflict that took the life of the policeman was the conflict between the USA and Al Qaeda, which Bush and the US wingnuts took upon themselves to fight in Iraq. A country with nothing to do with your little feud. And like the cowards you and he both are, you have tried to spend Iraqi blood as usual in order to achieve your aims. Iraq under Saddam wasn’t a pretty place. But neither was it crawling with Wahhabi fanatics and Iranian / US death squads and sectarian militias and foreign terrorists and trigger happy US soldiers all fighting their wars on Iraqi blood.
[RG] “We are not going to leave this family alone. We are going to stay with them until they finally achieve security for thier children.”
Or until they are killed in the attempt. Better dead than red, right? Better a dead Iraqi than a live Iraqi patriot, isn’t it? Iraqi blood is cheap for America to spend, which is why you do it so well.
Bruno. I like your post congratulating Mama. But you disappoint me with your ridiculous statements in your last post.
Mama is not here for you idiots to express your politics.
[wayne] "Mama is not here for you idiots to express your politics."
I guess that you might have a point. However, as long as idiots like RG are around to spread their poison and lies, I'll be around to mop up their mess and open the curtains to let the sunlight of truth shine on this sorry mess in Iraq.
Bruno, who do you think you're helping, spreading all this hate? Are you making a single Iraqi better off? Are you making things any better for people in your country (Whatever country that is)?
You talk like you think you're some kind of intellectual hero or something. You're just another hatemonger.
By the way, you turn every post into a discusssion that is about YOU. Your ego is appalling. This isn't your blog.
Hi Mama,
I'm the origional anon poster who said "With all that I hear that is happenning in Iraq, and when weeks go by without anything..."
I'm sorry if I started a shit storm on your blog. I was just trying to be sincere.
All the best to you Mama.
With Love,
An ordinary American girl.
[craig] "By the way, you turn every post into a discusssion that is about YOU."
Really? Have I mentioned anything about me, apart from my name?
No.
I have talked about the disgusting way your country rampages through the world and then expects people for being grateful for being crushed.
But it's interesting how angry you become at the plain truth.
Seems that the truth does hurt, as the old saying goes ...
I'm not the one obsessed with me, you are.
Really? Have I mentioned anything about me, apart from my name?
We're talking about you right now, aren't we? Half the comments in this thread are about you and your opinions. It's the same, every single place I've seen you commenting. Enough. If you don't have anything to say that is relevant to the post, please don't say anything. You're opinions really aren't that interesting, Bruno. Trust me on that. I don't read this blog to hear what Bruno has to say. I read it to hear what Mama has to say. Go hang out on Baghdad Treasure's blog if you want to spend all your time bashing my "disgusting" country. I haven't even looked at that blog in months, so you'll be free of my input at least.
Bruno, since you want to talk about politics, lets do that. Lets talk about your friends in th Jarrar family.
Faiza.
Those I am talking about, are the two big clear blocs in the field after the occupation: the Kurd Parties bloc, and the Shia'at Parties bloc.Those I am talking about, are the two big clear blocs in the field after the occupation: the Kurd Parties bloc, and the Shia'at Parties bloc. The leaders of these blocs put the interests of the sect or race... blah blah blah...
According to Faiza, the Sunnis have been sitting on their hands like little angels for the last 3 years. Iraq's problems are because of the Kurds and the Shia. Nice, huh?
But wait! Listen to what her son Khalid has to say:
Iran controls Iraq.
Iran is the reason the occupation is still in Iraq.
If Shea revolt against the occupation...you know what will happen.
OK, so now Iraq's problems are because of the Iranians.
I don't know for sure, but (a wild guess!!) I think the Jarra family is aligned with the Sunni "insurgency." I could be wrong! But lots of people have been pointing out their apparrent baathist ties and their support for the "insurgents" for as long as I've been reading Iraqi blogs. Considering that the SUnni insurgents are the only people on planet earth that the Jarrar family does not blame for everything that goes wrong in Iraq, well... you be the judge, Bruno. I know how impartial you are.
For what it's worth, I think Khalid is closer to the truth than his mother. But I think he's wrong when he says the Shia will turn on the Americans. There aren't going to be any Americans in Iraq for them to turn on. There will only be people like the Jarrar family. If we can ever successfully get them out of THE UNITED STATES, that is. Is that the de-baathification program? Send all teh Baathists to America? Whose bright idea was that, anyway? They should be in Iraq, finishing the civil war they started.
Good read.
Lawk Salih
www.lawksalih.com
[craig] “If you don't have anything to say that is relevant to the post, please don't say anything.”
You might want to mention that to your “battle buddy” RG.
[craig] “Go hang out on Baghdad Treasure's blog if you want to spend all your time bashing my "disgusting" country. I haven't even looked at that blog in months […]”
Well, then you might be interested to hear one of his latest opinions, since you care so much for Iraqis and what they have to say:
[Baghdad Treasure] “Aren’t you ashamed of yourself? And you say it? Did you forget that you [the US] are the ones who brought these “Islamist crocodiles”? Were they in Iraq before you polluted and destroyed our land? SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU. Yes, GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE. YOU DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY. SHAMEFUL SHAMFUL SHAMEFUL… OUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTT. ”
He says it better than I ever could.
[craig] “Bruno, since you want to talk about politics, lets do that.”
Good.
*cracks knuckles*
[craig] “According to Faiza, the Sunnis have been sitting on their hands like little angels for the last 3 years.”
[craig] “Listen to what her son Khalid has to say: “Iran controls Iraq. Iran is the reason the occupation is still in Iraq. If Shea revolt against the occupation...you know what will happen”
[craig] “But lots of people have been pointing out their apparrent baathist ties and their support for the "insurgents" for as long as I've been reading Iraqi blogs.”
First of all, Faiza is a Shiite. Perhaps you should read her blog yourself, instead of the regurgitations of your radical friends.
Secondly, I have no problem at all with the Jarrars. They may well sympathise with patriotic Iraqis trying to free their country from the noxious influence of US foreign ambitions. That’s not a surprise, since 87% of all Iraqis share the same view that the US should set a withdrawal date and get the hell out. Look up the 2006 PIPA poll for further data. However, whether they support violent resistance or not is another matter. I suggest you ask them yourself.
Thirdly, I have personally spoken to Raed, one of your so-called Ba’athists. A nicer, more intelligent man you could not meet. I can vouch for the fact that he is not a Saddamite. But of course, I’m one of those “other” anti-occupation, pro-Iraq people so you’re not going to take MY word for it. Too bad.
Fourthly, Khalid is spot-on with his comments. He exhibits a nuanced and deep understanding of the process in Iraq, unlike yourself, since you are too busy getting confused between the effects of various weapon systems to bother understanding the political dynamics of what is occurring in Iraq.
Simply, the Iranian-aligned Shia (note: not all shia are Iran-aligned) have adopted a wait-and-see attitude with regards to the US presence in Iraq. I mean, you have overthrown the only obstacle to theocratic rule in Iraq, the Saddam government, and you are busy killing their secularist enemies. Not only that, but you have organized them and trained them and equipped them! Why on earth would they want to queer a great deal like that? In one stroke you have accomplished all in Iraq that Khomenei was unable to do.
In addition to this, Iraqis (who are also enemies of Iran) are spending their blood while fighting America, another enemy of Iran. Yeah, I bet Khomenei would have been really upset at this outcome.
However, don’t confuse consent with support.
When the point is reached that America and the Resistance have worn each other out and are of no further threat, the Iranian – aligned Shiites will tell the US to get the hell out. And your Kurdish Veto ploy written into the constitution will not alter the fact that thousands of armed and trained militia men will ramp up the violence to undreamt of levels if the US should refuse to comply. The IP and IA will largely dissolve or turn against you in large parts of the country, since the US has drawn so much support from the UIA base. This is precisely the reason why the US is so reluctant to properly equip the Iraqi police and Army. You fear your own creations, and want to keep them weak and dependent on US support.
[craig] “But I think he's wrong when he says the Shia will turn on the Americans. There aren't going to be any Americans in Iraq for them to turn on.”
Tell that to former CENTCOM head General Zinni:
Zinni on Iraq: ‘We’re not withdrawing’
By Gordon Lubold - Times staff writer - May 10, 2006
“Don’t count on the U.S. ever withdrawing completely from Iraq, a retired Marine general said Tuesday.
Anthony Zinni, the four-star who commanded U.S. Central Command before retiring in 2000, said when the U.S. commits forces to a country now, it means a long-term commitment. Iraq is no different.
“It isn’t World War I anymore; we don’t come home anymore,” he said. Zinni said he doesn’t rule out a drawdown of U.S. forces in Iraq at some point — he insists that shouldn’t happen now anyway — but the idea that the situation in Iraq will change enough to allow all U.S. troops to ultimately go home is simply wrong.
“We’re not withdrawing,” he said.” //end excerpt
And as everybody knows (heh) Marines never lie and always tell the truth so semper fidelis and all that.
[craig] “If we can ever successfully get them out of THE UNITED STATES, that is. Is that the de-baathification program? Send all teh Baathists to America?”
Yup, that’s the latest short circuit brainwave from the American far-rightist radical fringe. Namely the idea that one can simultaneously bomb the daylights out of a country (Iraq in this case) and also complain when the people of that country leave in search of greener pastures.
All with a straight face.
You guys are real pieces of work, I’ll tell you that.
Bruno,
You might want to mention that to your “battle buddy” RG.
I don't know who RG is, I've never seen him comment anywhere but here. He is not the one who is being deliberately offsenice on this blog. You are.
Well, then you might be interested to hear one of his latest opinions...
Yes. That's why I went out of my way to point out that I don't even look at his blog any more. Because I'm so interested in his opinions.
*boggle*
Gee. Thanks for force feeding me HIS blog, here, after I suggested that YOU GO THERE to spew your hate. I actually predicted in the last comment I made on his blog that you cretins who exist to bash the US would lose interest in him when there were no more American readers to insult. Is that why you are HERE now, Bruno?
First of all, Faiza is a Shiite.
Faiza is a capitalist. And an opportunist. Just like her sons.
Do you think Baathists are motivated by religion? They use religion as a tool.
Perhaps you should read her blog yourself, instead of the regurgitations of your radical friends.
Regurgitations of my radical friends? Who would that be? MY best friend is an Arab muslim. And she's not radical.
Secondly, I have no problem at all with the Jarrars.
You know... I actually knew that about you, Bruno!!
That's... you know... kinda why I said "lets talk about your friends, the Jarrar family," eh?
You're not very bright, are you? Is that why you disguise your opinions behind all the insults?
Thirdly, I have personally spoken to Raed, one of your so-called Ba’athists. A nicer, more intelligent man you could not meet.
Oh, one of the biggest pricks on the internet is offering up a character reference for Raed, now? :D
I can vouch for the fact that he is not a Saddamite.
Really? And how exactly can you do that? Are you an expert on Baathists or something?
BTW, Bruno, are you still sticking with the WP is a chemical weapon routine, even after the news agencies who first reported the story, retracted it?
You were wrong then. Instead of saying "Hey, Craig... I was dead wrong... I'm really sorry about all those things I said" - you bring it up again, and call me confused.
You're a jerk, Bruno. It's nothing to do with politics. You're just an %#%hole.
I don't take orders from General Zinni anymore. There was a time that I did. He speaks for himself, not for the government. Time will tell whether US troops stay in Iraq. I've been calling for US troops to leave Iraq soince last fall. You've ben saying they'd never leave since then. I think you're wrong.
If you are wrong, will you come here and say "Gee, Craig, I was dead wrong on that troop withdrawal thing. Really sorry about all those insults" - or will you be making up all kinds of new BS to "prove" your idiotic and wrong opinions?
I'm asking you one more time to go away. Go tell your nonsense to somebody who cares. Tell it to Raed. Or BT. I don't care who you tell it to, just spew it on one of the (many)Iraqi blogs I don't read anymore.
And one more thing!! :P
You don't even know who General Zinni is, do you, Bruno? You just saw a quote you could copy paste from a retired bigshot in the US Military. Well, I know who he is. He used to be my boss's boss's boss (and so on) in the chain of command. He was a major player in US foreign policy in Lebanon, during the 80s and early 90s. Including the Iran-Contra scandal that tarnished the Reagan Presidency. I think even YOU would agree, Lebanon during that period of time, was a train wreck. You really ought to vet your sources a little better before you start copy pasting. General Zinni may not actually know what's best for Iraq.
But I bet he could tell you that White Phosphorous is a smoke munition, not a chemical agent. Maybe you should use him as a source for that, instead? Just an idea.
Ah yes, the brave Bruno who cowers so bravely in front of his little PC in his room in Australia while Islamic fundmentalists rape and riot on the beaches of Australia.
What a man...
[craig] “Thanks for force feeding me HIS [bt] blog”
Heck, I thought it was the horrible pro-Iraqis in his comments section that had driven you away. I thought you WANTED to hear what Iraqis had to say. Guess I was wrong, then.
[bruno] Secondly, I have no problem at all with the Jarrars.
[craig] “You know... I actually knew that about you, Bruno!!”
Eeeh, and your point is?
[craig] “Oh, one of the biggest pricks on the internet is offering up a character reference for Raed, now?”
Why, thank you. It makes my heart warm and fuzzy to know that the wingnut warmongers consider me to be such. It’s nice to know that one really can make a difference in the world.
[craig] “Are you an expert on Baathists or something?”
Well, I can at least tell you what Baathism IS. How it originated, why it had the appeal it did, what it stood for and how Hussein subverted the party in order to serve himself. But hey, you’re El Gringo Grande, you don’t have to know these things. All you have to know is enough so that you do what you’re told.
Yesterday the Baathists were your friends. Today they’re your enemies. Tomorrow, who knows?
Whatever serves America best, I guess.
[craig] “If you are wrong, will you come here and say "Gee, Craig, I was dead wrong on that troop withdrawal thing. Really sorry about all those insults"”
If I’m wrong I admit it.
But as I’ve maintained, it has always been US policy, and especially the policy of the Neoconservatives that US troops would be necessary in Iraq as a permanent presence.
[craig] “General Zinni may not actually know what's best for Iraq..”
General Zinni is merely echoing what was already said long ago in documents such as “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” and what was said by influential American ‘strategists’ such as Kagan and Ledeen. Up to date I’ve been dead right on events, and I suspect that you’ll be waiting a long time for any retraction. Don’t hold your breath.
[craig] “But I bet he could tell you that White Phosphorous is a smoke munition, not a chemical agent”
Yeah, and I bet that he could tell you that WP is used in illumination rounds as well.
The “WP as chemical weapon” issue was not nearly as simple as you make it out to be, nor is the issue confined to whether WP is such a thing or not. But you know that already. Trying to score some cheap points, eh?
BTW, I see that the US finally managed to capture Zarqawi. It’s true, just check it out here:
http://truth-about-iraqis.blogspot.
com/2006/05/iraq-us-troops-
capture-zarqawi-and-two.html#links
Now we can all sleep better at night, right?
Snipping insults as I go, Bruno. I'm onto you disguising your idiocy behind inflammatory remarks now.
It’s nice to know that one really can make a difference in the world.
Oh, you do. People have died because of the way you've been inciting violence and hate, Bruno. And they still are. Makes you happy?
Well, I can at least tell you what Baathism IS.
When are you going to start on that, Bruno?
Yesterday the Baathists were your friends.
Which "yesterday" is that? Syria has been an enemy of the United States for as long as I've been alive. WHich is longer than you. When were you born, by the way, Bruno?
And nobody here in the US considered Saddam an ally, even during the Iran-Iraq war when we were helping him. Iran was just a bigger enemy. There's what.... 3 years oout of 30 that the US gave Saddam some minor assistance, and you think that means that Saddam was our buddy, eh?
Nice the way you marxists (or are you an anarchist, Bruno?) can re-invent history at will, and actually seem to believe your own lies.
If I’m wrong I admit it.
A) You've been wrong about a lot. Everything you said about Falluja was a lie. Every word. I pointed it out then, in detail.
B) You haven't admitted it, even now, 6 months after your "sources" retracted the stories you based your lies on.
C) Admitting you are wrong isn't good enough, when you've been trying to make your points by personally attacking the people on the other side of the issue. You must admit you were wrong, and apology for the insults.
You can begin with the admissions and the apologies anytime you like :)
But you won't, will you? You just bury all your past lies with more lies.
Interesting ideas you have about the definition of "right" you have, Bruno. You're a lost cause. You'll be an old man, all alone on his deathbed (because you're that kind of abusive jackass) and you'll still be mumbling about the dreaded white phosphorous chemical weapons.
The “WP as chemical weapon” issue was not nearly as simple as you make it out to be
Yes it is. t's JUST TAHT SIMPLE, Bruno. And I spent HOURS of my life explaining it to you, as I have extensive first hand experience with white phosphorous mortar rounds. I was a mortarman in the US marines, for several years, in the 1st Marine Regiment, which was at Falluja.
But did you pay any attention to me? Hell no. You called me a liar and then you insulted my military service, and my country, and my government, and all other Americans on planet earth.
And you were wrong. You have have your work cut out for you, with all the apologies you owe. False accusations of murder, of war crimes, of crimes against humanity, of cover-up... these are not trivial issues, Bruno. The hate you helped stir up (on both sides) can and probably has gotten people killed.
I *personally* hate you, Bruno. I'd do you harm, if I had the chance. You're a dirtbag. And I blame much of what is wrong in Iraq on people you and on people like you.
Craig –
You know, bandying words with your kind is an amusing, but predictable affair. I’ve been through this time after time.
When you (and other American radicals) run out of substantive arguments, you resort to what is commonly known as “making shit up”. A simple indication of this lack of fact-based arguments is the ironic fact that despite your claim that I always want to talk about myself, practically your entire post is about me, my age, my Marxist or anarchist tendencies and about how you personally hate me. Uh, hello? I thought you weren’t interested. I’m not.
As for the rest of your rabid post, well, again, you are inventing or distorting the facts in your mind.
[bruno] “If I’m wrong I admit it.”
[craig] “Everything you said about Falluja was a lie. Every word. I pointed it out then, in detail.”
Eh, how about you excerpt the ACTUAL QUOTE by myself, and explain how the facts today have invalidated what I said back then. I mean, I hope you’ll understand that I don’t exactly take YOUR word for it either.
[craig] “6 months after your "sources" retracted the stories you based your lies on.”
Again, specifics, please. What I said, what the sources said, and how they tie together. I’d be happy to examine how my “sources” got the facts wrong … IF this is the case, of course. Somehow I doubt it.
[craig] “when you've been trying to make your points by personally attacking the people on the other side of the issue.”
ROTFL! Me, apologise for insulting people? Why, the very first thing that RG did when I started commenting here was squeal about how I’m a rat and a cockroach and much more besides. All while avoiding my arguments. And the very first thing YOU did was bash me as a “hatemonger” and whine about my “appalling ego”. Did I call you a “cretin” or “one of the biggest pricks on the internet” or a “jerk” … ?
Eeeh. I just love the way you far-right American radicals (yes, I’m sticking that label right on your forehead) get to dish out the insults, but when I poke back, all of a sudden, oooh, I’m *nasty*. Kinda the same way you were SO tough when you barged into Iraq destroying all in your path, but when the Iraqis hit back … gosh, well, that wasn’t *fair*, was it?
[craig] “And nobody here in the US considered Saddam an ally, even during the Iran-Iraq war when we were helping him.”
Actually, the facts point to an involvement between Hussein and the CIA that started roughly when he studied in Egypt. This was continued through his career. In 1963, for example, he used lists provided by the CIA to hunt down and kill fellow Iraqis. I can concede that Hussein was seen more as a tool than a friend. That does not change the fact that the US directly aided him and helped him. And when your tool was no longer obeying your commands, well, he had to go, didn’t he? No matter the cost to ordinary Iraqis.
[bruno] The “WP as chemical weapon” issue was not nearly as simple as you make it out to be
[craig] Yes it is. t's [sic] JUST TAHT [sic] SIMPLE, Bruno.
I suggest you go back to the actual discussion that you keep claiming you are referencing, instead of the script in your imagination, and start working from there. I’m not really terribly interested to pedantically redo the entire conversation again.
[craig] “False accusations of murder, of war crimes, of crimes against humanity, of cover-up... these are not trivial issues, Bruno.
What sort of parallel universe do you come from, exactly? Your soldiers have murdered Iraqis. They have covered those murders up. Your military has massacred civilians on many occasions, and justified these killings as legit under the secret “Rules of Engagement” which have no legal status whatsoever. Man, you snorted too much WP if you think that this never happened. And YOU want apologies? I mean, wow.
[craig] “The hate you helped stir up (on both sides) can and probably has gotten people killed.”
So telling the TRUTH is the same as spreading HATE ? I can see why America is in a moral crisis these days.
[craig] “And I blame much of what is wrong in Iraq on people you and on people like you.”
Ah, of course. If only the peoples of the world had not spoken out against this tragedy, Iraqis would have stayed their hands as you beat and robbed them. It’s only due to “our” encouragement and support of Iraqis that everything went up in flames. Come, now, even you can see that’s ludicrous. It’s because Iraqis saw first-hand for themselves what the US was about that they resisted. But there ain’t nuthin’ like blaming the victims, is there?
[craig] “I *personally* hate you, Bruno. I'd do you harm, if I had the chance. You're a dirtbag.”
I’d welcome that. Let’s see you take on somebody a bit tougher than your wife, for a change.
Bruno just came here to trash another Iraqi blog's comment section and the commenters, just as Bruno has tried to do at other comment sections and commenters at those comment sections, at least until Bruno was finally banned at those blogs.
The little creep doesn't have the courage and honor to stand up to real terrorists, so if Bruno can't beat them, Bruno joins them. Typical usefull idiot leftie. They all eventually hang themselves when given enough slack.
I’d welcome that. Let’s see you take on somebody a bit tougher than your wife, for a change.
Are you saying you're tougher than my (ex) wife? I bet she'd kick your scrawny ass :D
Shoot me an e-mail if you ever come to southern california. I'll be happy to settle up with you. Maybe if I break you're typing fingers badly enough, the world will be a better place. E-mail is right there in my profile.
[RG] “whine whine, moan moan, ban Bruno, grunt groan”
Is that ALL you’ve got? Btw, I’d love to know which Iraqi blog I was ‘banned’ from. It would be news to me. American sites, that’s another story. Strategy Page banned me twice because they didn’t have the balls to view their foreign policy up close and ugly like it is. They didn’t have, despite their claims to the contrary, the arguments and the logic needed to defend an indefensible policy. So instead of writhing in embarrassment at some unknown interloper showing them up on their own site, they banned my account. It simply demonstrates the shallowness of their position, that’s all.
[craig] “Are you saying you're tougher than my (ex) wife? I bet she'd kick your scrawny ass :D”
Heh, I’m not quite as scrawny as you think I am.
And if you think I’m going to travel all the way to America for some sort of bar brawl you’re mistaken. That experience can be enjoyed quite easily in South Africa, thanks. You want to fight, you come here.
I think this conversation has reached its logical conclusion.
Heh, I’m not quite as scrawny as you think I am.
Well, Bruno, since you're a known liar, I'll assume what you just said is untrue. That's what happens, when you're a liar :O
You're probably a 15 year old kid.
I think this conversation has reached its logical conclusion.
This "conversation" has no logical conclusion, bcause it's never been a conversation. It's been a hatefest. As every blog comment section you appear in, is. Hate ends in pain and death.
The only Iraqi blogs I read are non-political ones. Because I ahve nothing good to say, and I don't want to add my own negativity to everyone else's negativity. But you can't just leave the non-political blogs alone, can you? You've got to spread your pollution everywhere you can.
Very emotional, but very interesting. Great blog, mama. Never stop updating :)
What does all this crap you scum-bags are posting have to do with the post? I see no relation.
Thank you Mama for your care for the boy and all of your posts.
It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
Teddy Roosevelt
"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910
All the best. I am a Colombian who knows about war and who accompany you and your children from far away. The love and the courage inside you stay with you for ever and get stronger.
Manuel
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